But it was another week of big answers for LOST, our beloved, ever-inquisitive, rarely-forthcoming serial. Last night, we got the bookends of what happened from the time Locke Donkey-Wheeled himself off the Island to the time when Ajira 316 brings the Oceanic Six (minus Aaron, plus Ben) back home. In the end, we see just how John Locke is returning to a very different Island.
So let’s look at what happened right after Locke left, then zoom ahead to what happened right before he came back. And with that knowledge in hand, we'll peer into the Dharma Blog Crystal Ball to see what we might expect from the rest of Season 5.
UPON JOHN’S DEPARTURE
My Winding Wheel
Seemingly aware of its recent penchant for answer-giving, LOST generously delivered – in the opening moment – a glimpse at an answer to one of the show’s longest-running, largely-incidental mysteries: the four-toed statue! It’s back, but it’s not hanging around long enough for examination. For a second though, we realized that the castaways were in the way-way-wayback machine. So what was the statue depicting? Maggie thinks it was Anubis. I think it was Nikki of Nikki & Paolo fame (kidding, but a man can dream). Maggie's probably closer, considering Anubis is jackal-headed Greek God of mummification and the afterlife. How very John Locke.
Locke’s Frozen Donkey Wheel turn quickly dislodges the castaways from the statue era, and hurls them into 1974. As Miles noted “that one was different.” The nosebleeds and headaches are gone, leading Juliet to conclude, “I think it’s over, I think John did it.” It looks like Locke’s pre-destined spin of the wheel was exactly the cure our time travelers needed.
Danny Downer
So now what do they do? What they always do: head back to the beach (despite Miles’ objections) and wait for Locke to come back. But before Sawyer and Co. can arrive at the beach dwellings that aren’t there, they come upon Daniel, mourning Charlotte’s death.
Faraday Sidebar #1: Was anyone else a little thrown off by the shell of a man that was Daniel last night? Not that he’s ever a beacon of unwavering confidence, but last night he was despondent, broken and aloof. The death of his sweet Ginger lover trumped the excitement he had over stumbling upon a playground for the theories of his life’s work. Starkly he informs everyone, “Whenever we are now, we’re there for good.” It was almost as if he was filling them in to get them off his back. Here’s what you need to know. Leave me alone. I don’t even care anymore.
Getting In the Middle of Things
Moping Faraday in tow, Sawyer and his followers trudge on to the beach. But they’re interrupted again, this time by a vicious, callous conflict between two Dharma Initiative members (husband and wife Paul and Amy) and two Richard Alpert-led Hostiles. The hostiles murder Paul, and appear ready to instantly reunite Amy with him. But Juliet and Sawyer get in the way, murdering the hostiles.
Motivated by her own hurried mutterings of a “truce,” Amy begs the mysterious strangers to bury the hostiles and carry her husband Pauls’ body back to Dharmaville. Reluctantly, Sawyer agrees. One thing: that “truce” Amy spoke of has been alluded to before. Apparently, as we later learn, it’s a tenuous gentleman’s agreement between the Dharma folk and the hostiles to leave each other alone. Keep that rule of engagement in mind, and remember back (or forward) to when Ben Linus orchestrates the Great Purge. Last night we saw how a pseudo-violation of the truce angered Richard. And yet, he seemed perfectly willing to let Ben treat the same truce like those tree-hugging liberals treat the 2nd Amendment (kidding. I hate guns, unless handled by John Locke).
After fooling Sawyer’s people with the old Sonic Fence-Ear Plug bait-and-switch, Amy delivers her new “friends” to Horace Goodspeed. You remember Horace, right? He brought Ben and Roger Linus to the Island and acted as a ghostly guide to John Locke last season. It would seem that he’s Dharma de facto leader, although the whole “free love” communal living situation would suggest that Horace the Dude abides by his peoples’ will.
You Can Take the Man out of the Con, But…
Pulling his latest, greatest (and eventually longest) con yet, Sawyer claims to be Jim LaFleur, the captain of a salvage ship whose crew wrecked on the Island en route to Tahiti. With some classic James Ford heads-up thinking, Sawyer invokes the name of the Black Rock as the ship he was looking for, thus nailing his pop quiz in hisotry and proving himself to doubtful Horace.
Horace buys the lie, but he’s not selling Jim Lafleur any time to look for his crew. He gives Sawyer his walking papers for a submarine departing the next day, much to the chagrin of a Sawyer who – at this point – was still hopeful for a Locke (and Kate) return, and fast. Apparently, he has underestimated how bad airline travel has gotten since he’s been on the Island.
Lady in Red
Faraday Sidebar #2: How about that Charlotte spotting last night? The burning question is, will Daniel still warn lil’ Ginger about coming back to the Island? Or will he realize the futility of the act and resign himself to becoming a Dharma miner? Yet another case study in this season’s Tampering with the Past 101 crash course.
Respect the Guyliner
Richard Alpert arrives, his eyes lined with the fire of a scorned leader and the mascara of a drag queen. (Seriously, what’s with that? I'd like to credit the Dharma Blog watch party with calling this out last night before it was mentioned on the show). “That fence may keep other things out, but not us,” he tells Horace during their confrontation. Richard has come to settle the score for the Hostiles v. Paul & Amy death match earlier. Guyliner (eyeliner for guys) aside, Richard Alpert is one of the coolest characters on this show. I’ve always loved him. Every episode with him automatically ratchets the intensity up a notch.
Before Richard can strangle Horace, Sawyer comes in to save the day, convincing Richard not to hold the Dharma folk accountable for the murders, and striking a deal to return Paul’s corpse to the hostiles as a symbol of vengeance.
In this scene, Sawyer again draws on the lessons of his experience, citing Richard’s meeting with John Locke and the Jughead incident as proof that he’s no ordinary Dharma dude. Think of these history applications as another outgrowth of the time-travel-tampering debate: Sawyer is using his own experiences to alter the course of the past. And in a way, he used it this time to course correct himself. The hostiles wouldn’t have died had he not interfered, but he makes amends by striking the deal with Richard.
And You Say…”Stay”
Bet you didn’t think I could work a Lisa Loeb lyric into this post, did you? Wrong! For the second time in her life, Juliet is convinced to stay on the Island “just a little big longer.” I liked Sawyer’s reasonable plea, “It’s 1974. Whatever it is you think you’re going back to, don’t exist yet.” And I thought this scene was further evidence that – despite her background as a woman of science – Juliet carries some underlying obligation to, loyalty to or belief in the Island. She knows she’s supposed to leave. But she just. Can’t. Quite. Do it.
And whatever happened between this moonlit beach scene and the Ajira crash must’ve been good. Because folks, Sawyer and Juliet… are knocking the boots.
UPON JOHN’S ARRIVAL
On Newborns and Ex-Girlfriends
While most of the episode focused on what happened right after John Locke left the Island, we got a decent look at what happened right before he came back.
Jim “Sawyer” LaFleur is now the head of security, striking fear into the trembling hearts of his lowly underlings as they discover Horace Goodspeed on a late night bender. Interrupting their own “hootenanny,” the subordinates report to LaFleur that Horace is out at the Sonic Fence, drinking Jacob Daniels (get it? Well it’s midnight and I think it’s hilarious) and setting off dynamite. Impromptu dance parties and Sonic Fence-taunting benders? The Dharma Initiative knows how to party.
Sawyer – along with fellow security detail minion Miles – retrieves Horace and brings him to his lady-friend (and widow) Amy. I’ll fast-forward you to the good part here. She goes into labor, forcing Juliet “out of retirement” to help and Sawyer and Juliet help each other through yet another difficult situation so they can go home and be in love. Yeah. You heard me. In. Love. Kate be damned! Sawyer has moved on because – as he tells Horace – three years is absolutely long enough to get over someone.
Or is it?
Because when Sawyer gets ripped out of the Little Spoon position to go meet Jin in the North Valley, he’s suddenly not so forthcoming with his Big Spoon, Juliet. And the look he drops on Kate to end last night’s episode may have satiated all of the embittered female viewers who are still upset about whatever the Bachelor did to some poor woman earlier this week (good God, I’ve never seen so many angry status updates from my female Facebook friends).
Faraday Sidebar #3: reader Michael J. (not Fox) pointed out that Faraday was noticeably absent from the "Three Years Later" scenes. What happened there? Does he defect after creative differences with Pierre Chang? Does Charlotte's presence drive him mad? Does he join the hostiles? Or did they just not have him in the scenes last night?
CONVERGENCE
So there you have it. We know what happened to those who stayed on the Island (Sawyer et al.). We know what happened to those who left (the Oceanic Six). And we mostly know what happened to the dude who stayed, left and came back (Locke). LOST has set the table for the rest of the season, without falling into the trap of drawing out these “reunions” for 8 episodes (see Season 3’s arduous Hydra Station cage scenes).
I think this is precisely the benefit of LOST announcing its end date. Back in Season 3, they had to draw out storylines because they didn’t know how many episodes they’d have to write. Now they know. They’ve got roughly 20-22 episodes left, and there’s no time to dawdle.
So if the table is set, what’s for supper in Season 5? Here are some mysteries I think we can reasonably expect an answer (or part of an answer) to this season. We won't get 'em all, but hopefully they'll cover a few of these:
- A resolution of the Kate-Sawyer-Jack-Juliet Love Rhombus. It’s time. Kate, pick a man. Juliet, take whoever’s left. And let’s get on to more important to things.
- A testing and analysis of Faraday’s theory that “Whatever happened, happened.” Can you change things when you go back? Well, we’ve got a dozen or so castaways who are about to find out. And there's an episode later this season titled, fittingly, "Whatever happened, happened."
- How the Dharma Initiative progressed. We’ve seen them in their heyday. We’ve seen their demise. But how did the initiative truly begin? Who were the DeGroots, and are Hanso and Widmore (and Mr. Paik?) mere benefactors or mega-masterminds? Was a young Charles Widmore involved (I think he was).
- If there are family trees to be fleshed out among our Dharma Country Club (Widmore & Hawking [is Widmore Faraday’s dad? Is Hawking Penny’s mom?]; Pierre Chang’s baby [Miles?]; Horace and Amy’s baby [Maggie says it’s Ethan Rom. I hope it's Paolo of Nikki & Paolo fame]; Charlotte’s mom and dad; and more), will we get those answers this season? I think we should, as I think those are precursors to the larger story to be unfolded next year. Plus, I want validation of my grand Widmore-Hawking Family Tree theory.
- How does Desmond factor back in here? Later this season, an episode called The Variable will air. I think it’s a follow-up to last season’s heart-stopping “The Constant,” and hopefully we’ll get our Desmond answers there. Why is he special? How does he get back to the Island? What wrenches do his abilities throw in the spokes? Can he use his “special powers” to course-correct our survivors back to 2008ish?
- And most importantly: what does Locke’s journey of self-sacrifice back to the mainland illuminate for us on the Island? Does this place really have special healing powers? Can it reanimate dead souls who have unfinished business? It is a fountain of youth? Or is it all in someone's head...
If you don’t feel it yet, you will next Wednesday. LOST is taking a week off. What will we do?!? Maggie and I are already in preemptive mourning, but here’s what we’re going to do for you, our loyal Dharma Blog readers next week:
In the comments section today, post a big(gish) question you want answered. Try to think outside of what happened last night, or last week, and let us know what about Season 5 – as a whole – keeps you awake at night. We’ll pick the Top 5 questions and (attempt to) answer one a day next week. If you want to pose some LaFleur-specific questions in there, I’ll address those right away. But pose the bigger picture questions, too, and Maggie and I will tackle them next week.
Why are we doing this? Because we love you like Sawyer loves the hottest available woman on the Island.
Namaste.
Charlie
17 Snarky Comments:
good blogging...it's just a wonder you get this done between cleaning kennels and playing guitar hero...okay...one comment, many questions.
comment: the future we knew before all this time travel would have been unaffected by sawyer et al so amy would have died and she and horace would never have had baby boy goodspeed, right? or does the pre-time travel future take into account all the stuff that the oceanic survivors are doing now? if so, doesn't that suggest that when they crash on the island as part of oceanic 815 that they had all been there before, which would really mean they get off the island and then they come back on oceanic 815??? pretty sure i just confused myself so maybe you have no idea what i'm talking about. if you do, please advise.
question (to be answered now, later or never): with dharma seemingly infiltrated with the remaining survivors of oceanic 815, i'm wondering what's going to happen at the point in time where little ben linus and his pop arrive on the island. in theory, they shouldn't do anything because apparently you can't change the future...or can you? but i think they'll find not messing with little ben pretty hard to resist knowing what they know. will they allow the purge to happen?
question: now we know that circa 1974 babies can still be carried and born healthy on the island...so when and why do they start dying???
question: is richard human? why doesn't he age? this is driving me nuts!
unimportant question: what happened to bernard & rose? did they get killed with flaming arrows or are they still out there?
another unimportant question: what happened to the rest of the four-toed statue?
i could do this all day, but i'll stop now...for everyone's sake.
Such a tremendous ep...
Doesn't this explain how they all got to the island in 2004? The others would know of them because they got there in the 70s. So they know exactly who to look for in gathering them for the '04 flight. And it explains the qualifications for making "the list".
Is there scene that we haven't seen yet where a young(er) Ben meets up with the O6 in the 70s or 80s? And does that cause him to act maniacally in 2004+?
Most importantly:
IS LOCKE JACOB? I mean, he lands on the island in 70s. I know it might not make sense because Alpert has already been told, by Locke, 20 years earlier, that Jacob sent him. But maybe for some reason that ends up making sense, and it is Jacob (Locke + 30 years) who meets 2004 Locke in the cabin (and begs for help). Just a thought. Love the blog.
Good questions, kids. Dudeson, your first point might make a really good post for next week. I think we need to wrap our minds around how (and when) things that happen in an altered past affect a current state of mind. Consider it Monday's post.
Ricki, you've outed my 2nd nerdiest habit: guitar hero. Curse the day I moved in next door to a loyal blog reader :)And i think we do need to talk about how the O6 and the Left Behinders will deal with Ben and the Purge. Especially with Juliet there, they know what's going to happen. And since they're Dharma now, they'd better formulate a plan.
Good episode, good review. Well done, as usual.
Regarding what the Oceanic survivors can and cannot do on the island in regards to time travel; until proven otherwise, I'm buying Faraday's "whatever happened, happened" theory (which, incidentally, Pierre Chang also believed when he told the Dharma worker they couldn't go kill Hitler because "there are rules"). So I don't think Sawyer, Jack, etc. can mess with Ben, even if they wanted to.
Going back to what Faraday said using the string analogy, when Locke visited with Alpert and told him how to get rid of Jughead, that was happening early on the string, but it led Richard to find Locke when he was born. So because of Locke's visit, Richard visiting Locke happened. Locke moved on the string, but he didn't "change" anything, he didn't create a new string.
For me, the simplest way of looking at it is to think of it as times through. As in, all of the events happening only happen once. They don't go through the same time multiple times. It's not like Richard and the Others went through a time on the island when Locke did not visit them in the 50s, and then when Locke jumped through time and visited him they changed the timeline and created a second time through that event where Locke did visit him. It only happened once, and that visit by Locke prompted Richard to visit Locke as a baby and as a child.
Same thing with Amy and Paul and her baby. Paul died but Sawyer was there to save Amy, so Amy always lived and always married Goodspeed and they always had a baby boy who may or may not be someone we already know on the island.
Sorry if this isn't making any sense, but I really believe Faraday's "whatever happened" theory. I think the producers were setting up the rules for how time travel was going to work on Lost, and so far everything seems to be lining up with that.
Now, obviously if the Oceanic survivors do mess with Ben somehow then both Faraday and myself will be proven wrong.
Sorry for being long-winded here and again, I'm sorry if this doesn't make a lick of sense. It makes perfect sense to me, but then maybe that just says something about my mental health!
I like where your head's at Batman...
It could create new strings, but sometimes I think it is all one string, that still does not break any of the "time" rules. It helps to just think of the spectrum of time not as progressive (the way we experience it) but all at once. Just because you are experiencing something at X time doesn't mean you can't say that something at Y in the future WILL happen, if Y caused X.
What happened in 1954 happened because 2004 Locke/Faraday etc. visited. Everyone who was there has that memory. So Alpert, Widmore & Co. make ensuing decisions with the knowledge that Locke visited them in 1954. Likewise, Alpert learns of Sawyer in 1977 when they meet, even if Sawyer, if he was alive in 1977, would have no knowledge of it. By the time Alpert is around in 2004, he knows that Locke and Sawyer visited him in the past, as well as whatever else happened that we haven't been shown yet.
I think there will definitely be a surreal meeting between the O6 and young Ben (Ben will not know who they are), and when Ben (as Henry Gale) first meets them in 2004, he knows exactly who they are, and what they did in 1977+ (which was 2007+ for them in real time). One idea I have is that Ben's scheme is to somehow alter this string and prevent them from doing what they have already done, or he risks his existence being eliminated entirely (like Charlotte was when Locke turned the wheel).
Then there are the wild cards of Desmond and Faraday, who have travelled in time but don't seem to have lucid memories of it. Why?
Lastly, I am sorry if none of that made any sense.
I love everyone's time travel ideas. No need to appologize if they don't make sense. Is time travel ever supposed to make sense? Except for Doc Brown?
One thing that bothered me from last weeks episode... Why did Jack not have a long beard when he met Locke? He did when he showed up for the funeral. (scene with ben)Was Lock hanging out in that motel room for months? Ordering Jacobs and Cokes, hookers, calling the sex hotline... seeing if what's her face thinks about the new "special" Locke?
Anyway, time travel is crazy. To think that the others/D. initative ppl have lived their entire lives in one reality... only to have that reality changed (in the past.. which already happened). It doesn't make sense. How did Dez have a past experience (w/ Faraday) and have it show up as some past memory/ mid-atlantic-REM-sleep-jump-out-of-bed-dream?
I don't get it. I'm not sorry if this doesn't make sense... it doesn't make sense to me either. I think I'll go have a Jacob/Locke and Coke.
Peace
P.S. I hope Kate can turn Sawyer back into the badass that we've all grown accustomed to!
As Borat would say "Sawyer's vagine, hang like sleeve of Wizard"
See, Maggie, I disagree...
I've spent my morning making a chart of this, which I'll share next week. But look: in linear time Jin traveled back and met Rousseau on, say, January 9, 2005. While that meeting occurred IN 1988, it happened ON January 9, 2005. Does that make sense? Think of Jin moving on a timeline like you and I do, but his surroundings are those of 1988.
So 1988Rousseau won't remember Jin until she gets close to January 9, 2005. Need proof: Even though Dan warned Charlotte back IN the 70s, the event occurred ON January 10thish, 2005. So it wasn't until right around January 10thish, 2005 that Charlotte's mind synced up and she remembered him.
Of course, Rousseau is dead by January 9th, 2005, which is why she never recognizes Jin.
Dudeson, I think you just clarified exactly what I was trying to say. Either I was clearer than I thought, or you are super smart. Either way, you worded it much better than I did.
Questions/theories:
Ok, hang with me but if you think of time in three parts, pre-crash, crash, and post-crash with the crash being our constant point in time with all things revolving around it. . . .
Can post-crash gang (circa 2008) travel to the pre-crash time(1977) and remain on the island until the crash (2005) when the same gang (albeit the pre-crash gang) arrives on the island for the first time?
Can two sets of the same people though totally different in age and experiences exist the same point in time? In essence they are the same people but vastly different.
Also another question that drives me crazy . . . who is Jacob/Christian/etc? Is this the same "being" that exists in different forms or are there multiple creepy dead-like guys dispensing out orders?
I agree that the Jin/Rosseau situation is the most telling of how "Lost's Rules of Time Travel" will work. And I've seen Charlie's chart, so I think it will clear things up.
I try to think of it this way. Nothing can be remembered until it happens. For example:
1. Desmond is in the hatch circa 2003.
2. 815 crashes.
3. O6 (and Desmond) get off the island.
4. Ben turns the wheel.
5. Faraday tells Desmond he needs to help save them by finding his mother.
6. Desmond remembers meeting Faraday because IT JUST HAPPENED.
Before Faraday actually visits Desmond there is no way Dez can remember it, BECAUSE IT HASN'T OCCURED! Although, this doesn't take into account whatever Desmond's specialness affords him.
I'll stop, since I don't want to steal any thunder from Charlie's sweet InDesign skills on Monday.
If you have time to read this theory, it's pretty amazing...
http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html
Hmm, it is possible that all this time travel talk has fried my brain. But I think the Desmond example contradicts the theory that people the 06 interact with in the past don't remember the interaction until the proper place in the the 06's timeline (see Charlie's explanation of Jin and Charlotte). Because, Desmond should remember Faraday's message mere hours after Ben turns the donkey wheel. Faraday and the leftbehind'ers went to the hatch very soon after Ben turned the donkey wheel and the flashes began to prove Faraday's belief that they were time traveling. So Faraday speaks with 03Desmond just hours after Ben turns the wheel and the O6 and Desmond see the island disappear. Therefore Desmond would remember Faraday's message about Mama Hawking hours later when he is on the raft floating around the ocean, not three years later. Did that make any sense?
I don't know if this is an inconsistency in the Lost Rules of Time Travel because of Desmond's specialness or if we just don't fully understand the Rules yet. What say ye?
-Bess
With all this time travel talk I'm so confused but awaiting Charlies's diagram to clear things up.
Another point to ponder: we are watching this show partly from the perspective of the O6 and following their string. We never really encounter instances where something happens in the new past (created by Of et al.) We have yet to see the reprucussions, yet. Except, lockes 1950s visit and daniel working in a dharma tunnel. My point is there is no way of knowing if new past has now changed the future. I think its envitble that the future will now be different since we have now spent 3 yrs in the past, we just haven't seen it yet.
Question : alpert and his anti aging- why? Maybe its the eyeliner
And I like the idea that locke might be jacob!
Question: why do we see dead people on this island!!
I just want to say that Amy's doing the splits next to the body of her man in that picture you posted is very...strange.
Did she do some kind of sweet finishing dance move slide kind of thing into her position of mourning while we weren't looking?
WOW that is so creepy.
I can't believe that people actually give a rat's ass about Kate Austen's love life. She's a flaky, child stealing and unremorseful murderess. She isn't even worth a love triangle between Jack and Sawyer.
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