In the Shadow of the Statue

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Wow. Far be it from me to resort to hyperbole, but that was my favorite episode of LOST ever. The combination of heavy storylines, intense personal drama and unforeseeable revelations wrapped into those two hours was unprecedented.

There’s just a ton to dissect. A ton. I sat in shambles as this episode faded to white (white!), lamenting the impossible task of breaking this thing down in the wee hours that remain before the sun rises. I’m starting here at 10:30 p.m., so if I miss something, please have at it in the comments section.

But enough “Woe is me, the poor LOST blogger” talk. Let’s get into it.


THE GOOD SHEPHERD
Meet Jacob
Apparition. Imaginary friend. Ghost. Wrong. Jacob is as real as real can be. The first scene of The Incident introduced us to the mythological, mysterious leader whose orders have thus far been followed out of unadulterated fear.

After weaving some sort of tapestry (metaphor alert!) in his underground lair, Jacob is confronted by the Man in Black (henceforth known as MIB for our purposes) on the beach, as the two watch the Black Rock sail inshore. The conversation that follows, I believe, is beyond important, so I’m going to repost it verbatim.

Jacob: I take it you’re here because of the ship.
MIB: I am. How did they find the Island?
Jacob: You’ll have to ask them when they get here.
MIB: I don’t have to ask. You brought them here. You’re trying to prove me wrong, aren’t you?
Jacob: You are wrong.
MIB: Am I? They come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same.
Jacob: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that, is just progress.

MIB: You have any idea how badly I want to kill you?
Jacob: Yes.
MIB: One of these days, sooner or later, I’m going to find a loophole my friend.
Jacob: When you do, I’ll be right here.

And in what is a rare fete for LOST, this very cryptic scene would be paid off by the end of the episode.

“You brought them here,” said MIB, referring to those aboard the Black Rock. MIB warns of the impurity of mortals, and Jacob counters with the proposition that every wave of people he brings in progresses closer and closer to goodness. The first experiment (that we see) is the Black Rock folk. The most recent: Oceanic 815.

Gathering the Flock
We learned last night that the passengers of Oceanic 815 were anything but randomly-thrown-together survivors. Jacob bailed Kate out of her first attempt at larceny (“Whoa-oh-oh-oh! Hangin tough!”). He then warned Sawyer against writing that fateful letter to the man who conned his mom – thus assuring that the defiant boy would finish the letter. He wished Sun and Jin well at their wedding, warning them to “never take it for granted.” Hell, he even freed an Apollo Bar from a vending machine to satiate Dr. Jack Shepherd after his first hurdle as a surgeon. This is hugely important, as it saved Jack from having to create a “Candy Lineup” (ala George Costanza) to discover who took his creamy, nougat-filled treat.

In post-Oceanic 815 time, he distracted Sayid from his lifelong love Nadia long enough to get her brutally killed by a hit-and-run assassin (Damn!). He also enlisted Ilana to “help him” (he likes that phrase, doesn’t he?) with a mission we later see come to fruition.

But in perhaps his most essential Border Collie maneuver, Jacob persuaded disillusioned sheep Hurley with a very low-pressure, high-impact sales pitch. His secret weapon: convincing Hurley that he isn’t crazy, but special. Sure, it’s semantics. But it’s enough. And as an insurance policy, he left Hurley with a six-stringed reminder of why exactly he needed to come back.

It seems Jacob’s quest to prove MIB wrong is a calculated one. He has hand-picked the group of people we came to know as the Oceanic 815 survivors for years, weaving together a complex quilt of morally ambiguous, alternately-motivated characters to come to the Island. Something about this certain mix of people, and their experiences, is essential to human alchemist Jacob’s ultimate formula. The right mix of people will prove to MIB some essential truth about the human race. And Jacob’s mission, as it turns out, is to tend to the various pots on the stove and bring them to just the right temperature, priming them to serve their purpose on the Island. Oh, and did you notice that Jacob physically touched each person he visited, as if imprinting them with a longing to go to the Island (hell, he may have even healed John Locke).

But what exactly are Jacob and MIB? See the “Conclusions” section at the end of the post for my take.

Now let’s look at the rest of the episode, in as chronological an order as I can muster.

HISTORY LESSONS (1977)
Submarine Sandwich (1977)
As the submarine love-triangulated its way off the Island with Kate, Juliet and Sawyer, the ladies convince Sawyer that they need to make a serious u-turn – physically and metaphorically – to stop Jack from blowing the Island to kingdom come.

Team Three’s Company’s first encounter: Rose and Tom Hanks from Castaway! I mean Rose and Bernard! Turns out they’ve survived that whole flaming arrow attack thing and made themselves a nice little “retirement” in a cabin in the woods. They even got a dog! Well, they found a dog.

Cutting to the Core (1977)
Conveniently, Sayid uses Faraday’s handy, dandy, notebook to discover that only the plutonium core of Jughead is necessary for the grand scheme. Sayid – apparently a nuclear weapons expert all the sudden – gets to work carefully removing the core, taking measured steps to not end up as the next Dr. Arzt. Meanwhile, Jack reassures 1977 Richard not to “give up” on old John Locke. I think an endorsement of Locke means we can consider Jack’s conversion to Man of Faith fully complete.

With the essential guts extracted from Jughead, the crew heads toward Dharmaville. But first, Richard knocks Ellie out cold to “protect” her from the uncertainty of Dharma wrath. Eye-liner boy takes this “advisor” role pretty seriously. And it’s a good thing he does. Jack and Sayid had to fend off suspicious Dharma flunkies (stupid Phil!), with Sayid taking a bullet to the gut and Jack getting his bacon saved – yet again – by good-old fun-time Hurley in the Dharma van. That thing comes in handy.

Road Block (1977)
As Hurley, Miles and Jin transported Jack and Sayid to their date with Dharma destiny, they’re intercepted by Sawyer, Kate and Juliet. Sawyer demands an audience with destiny-driven Jack, where he pleads with him not to detonate Jughead. Predictably, Sawyer is acting in the best interest of he and Juliet, his significant Other. And when the argument gets physical, who should stop it, but Dr. Burke. Acting with the experience of her own parents’ divorce (which the viewers are later clued in on), Juliet convinces Sawyer to let Jack go, that he’s right. And that if she and Sawyer are meant to be, they’ll find a way to be, post-Jughead. But she knows as well as we do: she’s letting him go because she has to.

Drill, Baby, Drill! (1977)
At the Swan site, Radzinsky overpowers Dr. Chang to restart the drill, claiming he was sent to this Island to change the world. As the gauge needles begin to quiver toward their upper limit, Jack finally convinces Kate that detonating the bomb is legitimately the right thing to do. And like the loyal puppy dog she is, Kate acquiesces.

Jack – carrying Jughead’s brain like Cory Schlesinger plowing through the Miami Hurricane defense in the 1995 National Championship game – makes a mad dash for the electromagnetic pocket beneath the Swan Station, uttering “see you in Los Angeles,” as he departs. And amidst one of the show’s most violent and dramatic fight scenes ever, the castaways gain the upper hand to give Jack a clear shot.

Thud? Boom! (1977)
That’s it? Nothing? A nuclear warhead gets dropped several stories into a hotbed of exotic electromagnetic material and…nothing? Well it wasn’t exactly nothing – the exotic matter began sucking in every bit of metal within reach, including a steel beam that pinned Dr. Chang’s arm, a metal rod that impaled Phil (finally!) and a set of chains that hog-tied Juliet into a sticky situation. And as our stunned faces looked on, her airtight grip on Sawyer’s hand gave way, and Juliet descended into the Swan Station’s eventual underbelly.

But Jughead’s mission wasn’t over, and neither was Juliet’s. As the two spent characters lay helpless in a heap at the bottom of the eventual Swan Station, Juliet got an idea. And with a few well-placed taps of a nearby rock, Juliet made good on Faraday and Jack’s time-warp experiment. Jughead exploded. And we faded to…white?

What happens next? See the “Conclusions” section for my thoughts.

JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE FOOT
Follow the Leader (2007)
John Locke and his merry band of Others’ journey to Jacob’s doorstep was very reminiscent of the Season Three radio tower journey. A few certain leaders, a few dissenters, and a large group of wide-eyed followers trudging blindly toward possible doom while staring vacantly into the middle distance.

Locke’s certainty in this mission is admirable (later, we’d understand why). With Ben and Richard firmly falling in line, John Locke carries on toward the shadow of the statue with total confidence – and a newly-recruited hit-man in Benjamin Linus. Locke exploits Ben’s vulnerability, digging deep to discover that Ben really hasn’t ever seen Jacob. And then he takes a page out of Ben’s own book, turning Bug Eyes’ anger over his lot in life into a motive for killing Jacob (“Why the hell wouldn’t you want to kill Jacob.”).

A Meeting Centuries in the Making (2007)
Where else should Jacob reside but in the shadow of the Four-Toed Statue, that mysteriously archaic remnant of a past civilization whose meaning has been debated as everything from deceptive red herring to crucial puzzle piece. At this point, that sandled foot appears to be the latter. And with Richard pushing through the secret entrance, Locke and Ben enter, knives drawn.

But before we could see the fateful meeting inside the statue’s foot, Ilana’s crew arrived with a revelation for the ages. They found their “candidate” in Richard, who answered the “shadow of the statue” riddle with, "Ile qui nos omnes servabit," which is Latin for "He who will save us all.” As a reward for his answer, he was treated to the contents of that big metallic box. And once again, a mysterious box on LOST was revealed to contain John Locke’s corpse. “I don’t understand,” said Sun, “if this is Locke, who’s in there?” Good. Freaking. Question.

The Loophole (2007)
Finally, Ben gets his long-awaited meeting with Jacob. The man he’d feigned communion with throughout his reign as Supreme Other was finally taking time out of his busy schedule to sit down with the carpetbagger prince. And Ben wanted answers.

But their meeting was quickly upstaged by this nugget from Jacob to Locke: “You found your loophole.” Loophole. Where have I heard that? Oh, right! The first scene of the episode, in which MIB promised to find a way to kill Jacob as retaliation for constantly exposing the sacred Island to the immorality of mere humans.

I believe MIB found that loophole, in assuming the visage of John Locke, the one true Other whose ascension to power had been heralded as the Island’s saving grace. And by manipulating Ben – his ironically human assassin who he pushed to the brink by highlighting Jacob’s negligence – MIB had found a way to kill Jacob by circumventing the “rule” that he couldn’t. It’s not a huge leap to assume that this is the very “rule” that prevents Ben and Widmore from killing Jacob. But coincidentally, Ben was the very exception to the rule that allowed for the murder of Jacob, who Widmore so implicitly trusted throughout his reign as Head Dirty Jungle Dude.

And…breathe. I won’t pretend to fully understand all this. But here are my first impression theories…

CONCLUSIONS
Angels and Demons
I flat-out loved the Jacob and MIB story arc genesis last night. Who are these dudes!? Obviously, they’re the powerful humanlike epicenters of Island preeminence that we’ve all so desperately sought since day 1. It appears that Jacob and MIB are engaged in an ages-old battle over, essentially, the goodness of man.

I loved that Jacob was decked out in white, while Man in Black was dressed in, well, black. This doesn’t just allude to the whole dark vs. light, good vs. evil motif of the show, it puts faces on it. It turns John Locke’s loose backgammon metaphor into a more tangible conflict.

So who are these guys? As of 1 a.m., I’m going with “angels.” Or “demons.” Well, not literally. Either these guys are half-god, half-human creatures, or they’re very special human beings who live by a set of rules that govern their very cosmic, very important goings-on. They’re engaging in a massive game of chess with very human pieces in an effort to unearth the true nature of mankind.

But now the good witch is dead. Jacob’s gone, leaving MIB (as Locke) to reign supreme. And sensing MIB’s disdain for humankind, I’m ominously optimistic about what he’ll do to the myriad groups of vacationers currently calling the Island “home.”

I’d like to give some insanely massive kudos to Dharma Blog reader Bruce for somehow calling the MIB-as-Locke thing. Check the comments section of yesterday’s post, he had it up at 8:40 p.m. Well played. And a nod to reader Bret, who picked up on Jacob and MIB’s black/white contrast.

Incidental Contact
Eventually, that bomb went off. I loved it. Juliet sacrificed big time for her old buddy, Jack, at the expense of Sawyer’s happiness and her own life.

But who else heard Miles’ warning beforehand and thought, “Why the hell didn’t I think of that?” Maybe he’s right, that Jughead going off IS indeed the incident that Dr. Chang is referring to in the Swan Station orientation film. Or if it’s not the exact incident, does it replace the drilling-into-exotic-matter incident to create the same set of circumstances (the hatch being built, the numbers protocol, the crash of 815)? Miles’ theory tends to support the Whatever Happened, Happened mantra that he has championed, echoing his buddy Faraday. So my vote, for now, is on the explanation granted by Miles. Loved it.

But what if he’s wrong? Maybe the Jughead detonation did negate history. If so, where does that leave our Oceanic 815 and Freighter folk? Either waking up at LAX or dead as a doornail. Or here’s a more sinister theory: they wake up on the Island. Ajira 316 didn’t happen because of a Swan Station mishap. So maybe if Oceanic 815 never crashes, fate course corrects to get Jack and company onto Ajira 316 and deliver them to their destiny anyway. Hellllloooo, 1:30 a.m. theory-making!


Sheep in Wolves Clothing
I love John Locke. Hell, I can’t blame MIB for impersonating him, the dude’s a stud. But last night, I left with a sense of betrayal regarding John Locke. Let me explain.

I’ve spent this entire season riding high on a renewed sense of faith in John Locke. He has been the confident, no-nonsense Season 1 Locke that we all grew to love. He was in the zone, mowing down dissent left and right to forge his own path – instead of waiting for the Island to reveal one.

But with the revelation that the on-Island John Locke we’ve seen since the Ajira 316 crash was actually an imposter, I’m left feeling empty and sad for poor old John. See, he never actually did reclaim his Season 1 swagger. It was an act, perpetrated by MIB. Last week, we didn’t see John Locke use his Island know-how to tell Richard how to guide time-traveling Locke off the Island, convince him to kill himself and get the Oceanic Six back to the Island. We saw MIB coerce Richard into getting Locke to kill himself, so that MIB could assume his persona and carry out his plot against Jacob (using Ben as the hit-man). There are countless examples like this if you think about it: Locke didn’t really help Ben out of the tunnels, MIB rescued his future hired gun; Locke didn’t reassure Sun, MIB shut her up with false promises; Locke didn’t reenergize the Others under new leadership, MIB further brainwashed them into submitting to the Island’s powers-that-be.

And once again, after finally believing that John Locke had found his “purpose,” we were informed last night that the John Locke who was strangled by Ben Linus in that dank hotel room never rose again. For the umpteenth time in LOST history, John Locke was just a pawn in a game that was bigger than he could understand.


It’s a cynical conclusion, to be sure. To believe that the our idols and heroes are nothing more than instruments of greater unseen powers is a sacrifice of hopefulness.

But I have faith. Something – Jack’s crew, Richard’s moral compass or Desmond’s internal sense of right and wrong – will atone for the misdeeds performed in the name of John Locke. And that something will happen in Season Six.

That something may also have to clean up the Jughead mess. But I hope, along the way, it can restore some dignity to the John Locke legacy.

Maybe it’s the eternal optimist in me. Or maybe, like Locke, I just want to believe.


Namaste.
Charlie

61 Snarky Comments:

Alex Trepp said...

Hey Charlie,

I could be way off base here. But after Ben stabs Jacob we hear the fallen (I'll call him a) deity say that "they're coming." I presume that to mean that waking up in LAX is off the table, and that the six are Jacob's last stand. They are his latest and final crew, and I expect them to bring about "the end" that he referred to, with his death, the impersonation of Locke, and everything else all just progress.

I think when season six opens, our heroes will be back where they started, sans Locke, and searching for the self-revelation that they are destined to defeat MIB and demonstrate that humanity has the potential for good.

Alex Trepp said...

Also, instead of MIB can we call him the Dred Pirate Roberts?

Dudeson said...

"Two sides. One is light...one is dark..."

I knew that meant something...ok fine I batted about .028 on predictions this season, and ever, but dammit that one counts!

The oldest game in the world, older than Jesus Christ...

Dave Hanson said...

Anyone wanna bet that smokey is MIB?

Charlie said...

Alex - great assessment. My apologies for not delving into the "they're coming" line. It certainly deserves our attention, and your theory that "they" refer to the O6 is a good one.

Dave - I'll take that bet, on the "yes" side. I started to take this on in my review last night, but I was already over 3000 words on a column that is usually no more than 2200. Obviously, MIB has the ability to make himself "appear" as different people, so it's not out of the question that he could take on the form of Smokey.

For that matter, I began to wonder if MIB was also Christian, Claire, etc. If so, the MIB-Miles meeting, if it ever happens, may very well be epic.

Dudeson said...

a few more tings...

1.Great points about MIB-Smokey, and about a MIB-Miles meeting.

2. (My only problem with the ep): Juliet falling down the big drill hole and not dying...and then immediately having the strength for a few haymakers with a heavy rock...I mean, come on...

3. What lies in the shadow of the statue? He who will save us all (thanks for the translation!) So...is that Jake? We saw him in the thing at the beginning and end. But if he is, then why would Ilana & Friends look for him in the cabin? Because he was trapped there? And they knew he was trapped there? Who trapped him there? MIB? Ben? And why does a ring of ash keep him trapped? Woof.

4. Does anyone else think the inverted final title screen is very significant for next season? The white/black hints, finally personified as Jake and MIB--then Juliet nukes everyone, and then for the first time white and black are opposite? I don't know what it means, if anything, but it has stuck with me.

5. Tremendous post Charlie.

Charlie said...

Dudeson,
YES I do think that white title screen was significant. It basically said, "Get it? Good vs. evil! Black and white!"

I think the point they're driving at with this whole metaphor is going to be expounded upon by the moral ambiguity of our characters. We've already seen how difficult it is to pin everyone as good or evil, and I think our characters and the decisions they make and the motives they have are going to heavily play into this "war" for Season Six.

I believe we're meant to buy that Jacob is the one who will save us all and that he lies in the shadow of the statue. Obviously Ilana and Richard both follow Jacob, and they must be his real-world/Island minions (one mortal, one ageless) who help Jacob do his bidding. It's quite the bureaucratic power structure, isn't it?

LJLA said...

I'm kind of pissed. More than 25 MIB references and not one to Will Smith? Can't we get the slightest bit of jiggy wit it? Tommy Lee Jones wants a bone too.

With that said I'm skipping the name that reference game for my theory. I don't have that many, but at the end of the episode it all seemed to fit together. I echo the MIB=Smokey connection.

Jacob represents people. He's always been the ultimate leader of the Others. He tells them what to do and where to be. He believes in people and they are ultimately good. On the other side we have MIB/The Dead Pirate Roberts/Roland (As I call him). He is the island. When "Locke" is alive back on the island he says he communicates with the island. Not Jacob. The Island tells him where to find the injured Locke. The island tells him it is time to go see Jacob. Really, all along, he is the Island posing as Locke. Jacob is the hope that humans are all good. MIB/DPR/Roland is the dirt of the Earth. He is the Smoke Monster. He lives in the temple while Jacob lives in the statue.

The Island and Jacob are natural opposites. The Ying and Yang to each other. Black and White. They are involved in an eternal debate about the true spirit of humanity. Is humanity good? Or is it destined to corrupt at every possible situation. I agree with Charlie and think Jacob chose the Oceanic crew based on their ability to find the happy medium and live together without corruption. However, they haven't done so well. The people that reached this is Rose and Bernard. They are happy with each other. They have made it past the petty differences and realized that being together with your constant is really the most important thing.

Alex Trepp said...

Sorry I can't help myself...First I think we can also throw Walt on that list with Christian and Claire (and the horse).

Second, would love to entertain thoughts on Ben as a pawn of MIB and Widmore as pawn of Jacob.

And lastly, my thoughts on "the loophole." Is it possible that the rules are

1) Jacob and MIB cannot kill each other.

2) Only one human, a leader that acts as a liaison between deity and man/woman, can get audience with Jacob or MIB at a time.

Since only a human can kill Jacob and only the leader can see him at a given time. MIB needs to find a leader willing to kill Jacob. As Jacob is often responsible for leaders arriving at the island/ascending to power/etc, that is no easy task.

So MIB kills John Locke. Assuming his form is key because it leads Richard to the like to believe John is alive as leader, when in fact Ben is the de facto leader.

B/c the resurrection gives "Locke" (MIB) a special credibility, he is able to manipulate Ben into a hatred of the man that made him. Something unprecedented. John appears so powerful that his word is golden.

With Ben duly manipulated, and entrencehd as de facto leader, he is permitted into to kill Jacob.

Thoughts?

Charlie said...

LJLA - my apologies for no Will Smith references, I thought it was something that "Just the Two of Us" would understand. Love the MIB-as-Island theory, I think that's dead on.

This MIB/Jacob duality is our strongest yet. On one side, MIB-Island-Smokey-Temple-Death-Darkness. On the other, Jacob-Humans-Agelessness-Statue-Life-Light. Beautiful.

And yes, Alex, that's my understanding of "the loophole." I could be wrong, but I think that's essentially what I was trying to spell out. MIB used John Locke to as the human form he needed, in order to get Ben - a true mortal in every sense of the word - to circumvent "the rules" and kill Jacob.

God what a phenomenal episode.

Anonymous said...

More evidence that MIB is smokey...he appeared to Ben as his dead daughter (Alex) in the tunnels/temple and told Ben to do "exactly as John Locke says". This is part of the setup to make sure Ben will kill Jacob.

Charlie said...

Good one, Anon. I'm tracking on a theory that all these "ghosts" we've seen are just versions of MIB. Claire, Christian, etc. are all MIB apparitions meant to opush people toward a certain path.

Jacob has his methods. So does MIB.

Laura said...

Wow. Great review. and definately help explain some things and give so much depth.

1) Agreeing with you. I think MIB was all those no-so-dead characters we're seeing, including people we saw off the island. Seems like MIB can assume the visage of people that are dead, so he became all these apparitions. i.e. Remember Claire appeared to Kate and said, don't you dare bring aaron back to the island! Seems like Jacob was trying to get the O6 to return, but MIB was trying to prevent it. MIB might also have been Christian, and told John to move the island to people can't find it. And perhaps all these appearances weren't all planned, but a means to end an end, wehre the final solution was to appear as locke.

2) did anyone else notice that each visit to O6 by Jacob, he actually found a way to touch each of them? Like giving them power or something.

3) What does MIB/Jacob relationship have anything to do with Widmore and Ben's game? Are they good/evil too? Widmore onc mentioned that Ben wasn't following the 'rules'. Is it the same rules?

4) So Jacob brought he O6 to the island. Now that they have changed the past, how does that relate? or did they even change it? Don't see the connection yet.

5) Jacob must have gone to Iland to tell her that she has to get on the plane, find John's body and bring it to show Richard the true nature of MIB/Locke. But what did she mean as a 'candidate'? And now what does Richard et. al do with this newfound knowledge?

6) Ricardus - Richard. He must have been around a LONG time. Maybe same as Jacob. They both don't seem to age. Altho an advisor, we still don't know the true sense of him. Seems like MIB doesn't either. MIB/Locke questions him about the not aging.

7) I loved Ben's reactions in this whole episode cuz he just followed everything Locke told him.

Okay I'm done.

Dave Hanson said...

If the visions of dead people in "the real world" were MIB trying to prevent them from returning, why did Charlie appear to Hurley and tell hm to go back? AND if they hadn't returned then Locke/MIB could not have killed Jacob so he would have wanted him there.

When Locke saw "Jacob" in the cabin he looked nothing like the "Jacob" of last night. Also, Jacob does not appear to need anyone's help. Was that MIB there to push Locke into thinking he was special?

And to dust off an old mystery. Adam & Eve = Bernard & Rose?

Rick said...

So maybe the cabin is not Jacob's after all. Could it really be the dwelling of (or containment for) MIB?

Christian (who we now believe to be MIB) appears here with Claire. Also, why did Ilana and crew approach the cabin with guns drawn and on the alert; especially once they noticed that the "ash" ring was broken.

Could this have been a form of imprisonment for MIB? Perhaps one of Jacob's waves of human visitors (Black Rock?) was able to contain MIB's human form to the cabin using the ash ring.

Ilana seemed fairly set on the "Shadow of the Statue" as the location of Jacob...as did Locke/MIB and Richard.

So, when Locke heard a voice say "Help Me!" back in Season 2(or was it 3?) when he was there with Ben, was that really MIB?

Who broke the ash ring?

Dudeson said...

great chatter...

I dig the MIB as dead people idea...Locke, Christian, Claire, Eko's brother, Boone. The horsey?

Also, what if MIB was just another dead guy being used by His Smokeness as a human form?

Dave Salas said...

I am looking forward to this MIB v. Jacob face off that promises to be explained. It looks like the island isn't just for Dharma expirements, but for "can man be excellent to each other" expirements too. But as far as MIB theories go, I think that the apparitions of former island dwellers on the island are the MIB, but the ghosts off the island are real. That's what could make my dear good friend Hugo so important next season. He is the only one that Jacob visited where it wasn't a huge character changing momement in their life - Kate's first crime, Sawyer's revenge letter, Jack's first surgery as chief (where his dad punks him), Jin and Sun's wedding, Locke's dad pushing him out a window, Sayid's true love getting mowed over. And like you said Jacob really just told Hurley, "you're special, you need to go back" directly to him. And also didn't a ghost on the island try to convice Hurley to commit suicide, trying to get him out of the way maybe? Just a thought, but great post Charlie, very well done.

And it looks like the statue might be the Egyptian god Sobek, a man with a crocodile head?

bret welstead said...

Okay, a literary reference not yet mentioned: just before Jacob touched, maybe healed Locke after the fall, he was reading Everything That Rises Must Converge. The title might allude to something, but the book was written by Flannery O'Connor. This is definitely significant because she wrote some heavy and gothic stuff on ethics and morals. It's also probably significant that this particular book was published post-humously, about a year after she died in 1964.

I love that everyone's adding their own piece to the puzzle in this thread! Great stuff.

My thoughts...

MIB is and was all of the apparitions we've been seeing throughout the series. It's interesting to note that he can appear as more than one at the same time: Locke and Christian interacting with Sun and Frank; Alex in the Temple with Ben while Locke is outside with Sun.

I think we're looking at a great cosmic debate over the nature of humanity between MIB and Jacob. I don't know what these two characters really are: angels, demons, demigods, gods, immortals. I ran across a screenshot I had forgotten depicting an Anubis-like figure (Jacob) and a depiction of the smoke monster (MIB) in the temple. But I do know that their goals seem to be that Jacob seems to want to prove humanity's worth to MIB, while MIB wants to prove Jacob wrong by ultimately having him killed by those he believes in.

Great exposition on "the rules." Maybe the violent encounter between Ben, Locke, and Jacob in the cabin is indicative of that rule (only one person can see Jacob at once). In the final scene in the statue, there was only one person: Ben. But MIB was there manipulating him into killing Jacob.

Could it be that Jacob was trapped in the cabin for a time by MIB? And I'm wondering too: what broke the ash ring? It looked as if something was dragged across it.

On the other hand, the theory that the cabin was to trap MIB holds some water, too: have we ever really seen Jacob there?

Either way, if MIB is smokey and all the apparitions, and if Jacob shows up all over the place himself, then I don't think the cabin totally contains whichever was trapped there, if that were the case.

I'm rambling... I'll stop.

Great episode! Great review, Charlie!

Allen Iverson said...

Wowowow...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob

ricki said...

great review, charlie! that was an INTENSE 2 hours.

some of my questions/comments:

(1) i definitely think jacob brought locke back to life when he fell from his father's window...i mean, did you see how the instant jacob touched him locke gasped a breath?

(2) it seems jacob is the one who brings people to the island, so my question is: did jacob bring dharma or did dharma find the island on its own?

(3) do widmore and eloise know about MIB? are they working for him/against in some way? widmore seemed to know about the upcoming war...and it seemed from the talk he had with john in tunisia that he wanted locke back on the island for that.

(4) i'm thinking miles was right about jughead being the incident because they have to encase everything in concrete down there after the incident and that's what faraday told them to do with the bomb in 1954 to block the radiation.

(5) i am 100% on board on this theory that MIB took over the body/form of christian shepherd and this whole time was manipulating everyone else by using jacob's name. i think jacob was being held hostage for a while in the cabin and that's who locke heard say "help me"...or...maybe the spirit of christian shepherd was saying "help me" because his body had been taken over. hmmm. and what is the deal with the ash line?

(5.5) what was the drawing ilana found in the cabin...was it the statue and smokey?

(6) if you think back, has ben been MIB's pawn the whole time? i mean, who told him to kill locke? who told him to get locke's body back to the island? and do you remember when he dropped locke's body off at the butcher and he said something about being careful with him because he's the most important piece or something like that?

(7) not sure i buy MIB is smokey because "evil locke/MIB" seemed genuinely surprised when ben came out of the tunnel in the temple and told him what had happened to him, didn't he?

(8) what is the relationship between jacob & MIB? brothers?

i could do this all day. i can't believe we have to wait 8 months for new eppys!

Dave Hanson said...

More food for thought, in the Bible Jacob cheated his brother out of his birthright (the island?) making his brother murderous with rage which he later overcame and forgave him for. We don't know MIB's name...perhaps it's Esau?

Probably not, just a thought though.

Charlie said...

Actually Dave, don't give up the ghost so quickly there. I do think MIB will be revealed to be named Esau, opening the floodgates for tons of biblical allegories.

Ricki - great thoughts on Ben working for MIB the whole time. Wouldn't it be cool if Season Six opened with Ben and MIB meeting (in like 1980) and hatching this plan? Me likey.

laura said...

Ricki, the drawing was of the statue.

But the idea to kill John Locke had to be MIBs but to be able to bring him to Richard was Jacobs?

bret welstead said...

I'd be really surprised if they name MIB Esau. I think I'd name him... Bocaj. :-)

Joe Smith said...

One thing that sticks in my craw after last night is what is going to happen after the bomb goes off. Which is probably on everyone's mind. Anyway, if 815 never lands on the island and everyone lives their lives like nothing even happened, that leaves Desmond stuck on the island. If Desmond is stuck on the island, couldn't history probably start repeating itself? I know that this might not be plausible because the negation of the power, but where does that leave Des?
I think I might be the only person who doesn't necessarily agree with the MIB (I like to call him Esau, Jacob's biblical brother) as the smoke monster. For some reason it doesn't feel right. I think that the smoke monster acts as a security system as Ben once said. Another thing to consider is that if smokey is MIB(Esau) why did he try to kill John Locke by pulling him into that hole?

I don't know more than the next guy and you all seem pretty convinced, in fact, your comments have made me to think about it a little bit more.

Either way, that was probably my favorite episode of Lost ever too Charlie, great review too. Hope you keep things going for all of us over the break. Until next season, or until your next post. Thanks, and Namaste.

LJLA said...

If we are going to throw out names for MIB, I would like to toss into the name Randall Flagg. Or at least Randall. This goes to Stephan King's The Stand, which the producers said was a large influence.

Randall Flagg is also known as The Man in Black, Marten Broadcloak, Walter O'Dim. Flagg is described as "an accomplished sorcerer and a devoted servant of the Outer Dark" with general supernatural abilities involving necromancy, prophecy, and unnatural influence over predatory animal and human behavior. His goals typically center on bringing down civilizations, usually through spreading destruction and sowing conflict.

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P.Bay said...

This may or may not have been discussed already, I tried to read all the comments but they are long.

How possible is it that Rose and Bernard are the cave couple aka "adam and eve" that Jack and Kate discover when running away from the deadly bee attack (which was obviously smokey taking the form of bees) in season 1?

Charlie said...

P.,
I think because Rose and Bernard are about to die in 1977, and as Jack described when they found the skeletons, they were a couple decades old.

It's a weird time loop though, because Rose and Bernard were alive when Jack found those skeletons. But I believe Jack really did find the skeletons of R&B, they just weren't dead yet?

Oh my brain is fried.

Allen Iverson said...

Question,

How are we explaining the sudden rains that happen throughout the series? Have we gotten that far yet? (time travel check, quantum physics, check, hydro bombs check, religious allegories check, four toed croc statues check, immortal egyptians check...rainstorms?)

Charlie said...

Mr. Iverson,
For a man whose nickname is "The Answer" you certainly have many questions. Ha! I crack myself up.

I don't know. I guess I've operated under the assumption that they're just rainstorms, and that certain characters are more in-tune with nature and can see them coming.

ricki said...

joe, i agree with you. i do not think that MIB is smokey. see my previous comment.

also, if we think smokey and/or MIB live in the temple...do you remember when ben told richard to take everyone to the temple when widmore's guys got there? he said they'd be safe there. hmmmmmm...

my vote for MIB's name is Disaronno.

P.Bay said...

I would say that either MIB is smokey or is smokey's keeper. When Ben and "locke" were in the temple visiting Alex, apparently there is a shot on the wall of Anubis facing the monster, maybe implying that Jacob's enemy is an Anubis, afterlifeish type of character. And if he can control smokey, this would lend credit to the idea that Ben was in cahoots with the enemy seeing as how Ben also was able to summon the monster.

As far as the identity of the enemy goes, lostpedia posted an interesting theory relating him to a character in a CS Lewis novel, who has been cited by the producers as an influence on the show:

"The actions of this individual closely resemble those of the "Un-Man", the demonic spirit controlling Professor Edward Weston in C.S. Lewis' planetary romance Perelandra. In the novel, the Un-Man entered an island planet by taking possession of a dead man, and did not take direct action, but rather worked through trying to persuade another to commit an evil act. This persuasion involved questioning the motivations of a being who had until then been considered an undisputed spiritual authority."

Dave Hanson said...

Joe Smith, yes Smokey did try to pull Locke down that whole but we don't know for what reason. At the time John was certain that Smokey meant him no harm. Perhaps Smokey/MIB/Esau wanted to meet with Locke to start pushing him in the proper direction.

Shawn said...

I posed this to Charlie earlier this season and with the revelation that the whole Good vs. Evil is truly a core point of the show it is worth mentioning.

The Dharma logo is the I Ching Wikipedia describes it as such...

The I Ching (Wade-Giles), “Yì Jīng” (Pinyin), Classic of Changes or Book of Changes; also called Zhouyi, is one of the oldest of the Chinese classic texts.[1] The book is a symbol system used to identify order in random events.

The text describes an ancient system of cosmology and philosophy that is intrinsic to ancient Chinese cultural beliefs. The cosmology centers on the ideas of the dynamic balance of opposites, the evolution of events as a process, and acceptance of the inevitability of change.

Interesting huh?

The center of the original I Ching is the classic Ying Yang symbol which denotes balance, Good vs. Evil, Heaven and Hell etc. The Dharma folks replace it with symbols representing the areas that each person works in..I especially liked the little submarine picture on the captain's jumpsuit.

The ring of tri-glyphs represent the basic elements of earth..Heaven and Earth Fire and Water etc. The opposing elements sit opposite each other on the ring which of course is a symbol of eternity itself since there is no beginning and no end.

It's now obvious that the show is definitely rooted in this whole idea of balance which pervades all cultures religious and spiritual belief systems.

If you notice that Jacob tells Ben that he has a "choice". We all are capable of good or evil, but it's our choices that leads us down one path or another...

As a side note did anyone else pick up on the love in Jacob's eyes as he was waiting for Ben's decision?

Remind you of someone?

Island Girl said...

Wow is the right word for this episode! Random thoughts and comments:

I was thinking of Job, Chapter 1. Satan comes before God and basically says to God " Of course Job loves you, everything is going well for him." God gives satan permission to test Job, but satan is not permitted to kill Job. Maybe that is why the rule about not being able to kill each other is in place.

As far as the Jacob and Esau theory goes- at birth,Esau was coming forth first and Jacob grasped Esau's heel and pulled him back into the womb. Jacob took Esau's place as firstborn son and that set up the rivalry between them. Jacob later tricked Esau into giving up his birthright and blessing. Maybe MIB was originally in Jacob's place and something happened to change that. Just wondering.

Two other brothers from Genesis- Cain and Abel. When Cain killed Abel (out of jealousy), God placed a mark on Cain so that his life would be spared. Cain could not be killed in retribution by anyone. Not sure if this ties in- it just kept popping into my head. Maybe I am thinking too much!

I was so glad to see Rose and Bernard! I think they may be Adam and Eve; they both seemed to have made peace with themselves and their situation. That usually signals their time is up on the island, right?

I wonder if Richard was on the Black Rock and made Jacob's list? It will be great to see Richard's history next season.

JoSuTh said...

Jacob catches and cooks a RED HERRING. how did we NOT talk about this???

AmyB said...

This may be irrelevant and my memory is foggy, but let's go back the beginning and "the list" of those survivors kidnapped from the beach. Ben was in charge at that time, so he was likely the creator or overseeing this list, right? (unless I missed something along the way)

Anyway, I think it was Goodwin that told us the list was of the "good ones". It just so happens that Jacob's hand-picked chosen ones - Jack, Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sayid, Sawyer - were not on "the list" from Season 1. So, could this have been our first clue that Ben has been MIB's pawn all along? Thoughts?

Bruce said...

That TOTALLY was a red herring! Good catch JoAnna!

I think it probably refers to Locke. That seemed like the biggest reveal of the finale. Or at least it may have been related to that revelation.

Maybe the red herring was referring to Jacob? It seemed clear in the flashbacks that Jacob knew who was coming to the island. Locke included. If he knew they were coming maybe he knew Locke was going to be the vehicle MIB used. And I have a theory that Jacob is how "the others" healed Ben after Sayid shot him. If he got to Ben that early, maybe Ben is the red herring and we're looking at some sort of trick on Locke.

Then again, maybe dead is dead and Jacob is DEAD and whatever his long-lasting role may have been on the island, it now needs to be filled again? These are some deep waters...

PS Thanks for the shout-out Charlie. You've never heard someone yell so loud at their wife as I did when Locke was revealed in the crate. "I KNEW IT!!!"

JoSuTh said...

Thanks Bruce!

but sadly... I cannot take credit:

http://jezebel.com/5256090/lost-finale-recap-jacobs-red-herring?autoplay=true?skyline=true&s=i

Dave Hanson said...

Question...did we ever find out what happened to the people from the original crash who were taken by the Others? As I recall we last saw them when Jack was in the cage and the stewardess said they were there to watch something.

Perhaps if this whole thing is a game between Jacob and MIB/Esau they are the ones to judge the winners?

Anonymous said...

reading this is so entertaining. If I may add my own little thoughts. They're probably not that deep or thought-out like some of the brain-iac commenters I like to read on here, obviously including Charlie and Maggie...

To the point of the whole Smokey/MIB pull locke into hole thingy that someone on here posted)- I've taken interest especially to this puzzle...perhaps it was MIB that took the form of smokey and tried to pull Locke down into the hole in that earlier season. But if I remember correctly, didn't jack grab and help him. Why didn't smokey rip Locke's legs off. The French guy certainly didn't fair so well with his arm. Was it because smokey/MIB knew it needed Locke to do his mortal bidding and just let go of him once Jack grabbed on to help, but the French guy was just a casualty LOST throwaway character? I dunno!*&#$ Didn't Locke stare right into the face of smokey their first meeting? Away from everybody? I mean, why didn't smokey just kill Locke in that clearing, assume his identity, get to work manipulating everything and take it straight to Jacob then. Why all the trouble of real Locke discover hatch, discover plane, discover donkey wheel, time-travel, discover Jacob...seems like we could have skipped all that. Don't get me wrong...I love this show, but I am missing something. Anybody care to expound on that? Good or bad?

Love the idea of Rose and Bernard skeletons in the cave. I guess we'll see how they did or didn't die in the hydro bomb explosion. Would question why they ended up in the cave instead of perishing in their cozy camp. Too bad Jack didn't find doggy bones nearby in that cave or I might really hang my hat near that one.

Love this Red Herring comment posted not long ago too! Please, talk away about the meaning or no meaning of this.

Wow. Great ending to this season. Sad to have to wait for 2010. So hopefully everyone keeps posting so we can keep reading and discussing. Cheers to the dharma blog for giving us something to chew on.

LJLA said...

Anon-
I think Locke already answered why Smokey didn't kill him right there and take his identity - because he needed that pain. I think Locke needed to become the leader of Others on his own and supplant Ben in order to get Ben to do his bidding regardless of who was in control of his body.

Dave Hanson said...

Didn't Jacob visit everyone pre-crash except Hurley? And to everyone he made some sort of random comment to and left. With Hurley he spoke specifically about him going back to the island and even gave him Charlie's guitar.

Think that means something?

Anonymous said...

Jacob visited Sayid after he got off the island, but I agree that his interaction with Hurley was different and more significant.

Adam said...

1. MIB doesn't just take the form of Locke, he *is" Locke somehow - he and Ben have conversations about things only they know? Actually I'm thinking about the talk about when they were in the cabin - but I guess maybe we're thinking MIB was in there in some other form at the time?

2. What was the point of the cut to MIB (and the look in his eyes) when Ben mentioned "Moses"?

Dave Hanson said...

When did he mention Moses?

Adam said...

About 4 minutes from the end.

Ben (to Jacob): "When I dared to ask to see you myself I was told 'You have to wait', 'You have to be patient', but when he [Locke] asked to see you, he gets marched straight up here as if he was Moses"

AP said...

by far one of the best episodes of lost.

now i may be wrong, but didnt mr. eko stare down smokey a few episodes before it killed him?

AP said...

also, if everybody was brought to the island for a specific reason by jacob, why were the dharma group, the french boat, and the us army allowed to find the island?

Island Girl said...

Just noticed something interesting the other day- I was in a Star Trek frame of mind after seeing the new movie. Picked up the new Voyager book "Full Circle". The quote at the beginning is "Destiny . . . is a fickle bitch." - Benjamin Linus.
Interesting coincidence, at least it was to me.

Anonymous said...

I think Smokey/Esau tried pulling Locke into the whole so he could get a connection with him. Similar to what Jacob did with the O6. Maybe that is why he knew all of Lockes thoughts, how he acted and what he needed to say to other people to gain their trust.

~A~

Anonymous said...

Hole... Rather.

~A~

Joe Smith said...

I woke up a day or two ago and a thought popped into my head. "We're the good guys." Doesn't that imply that there are bad guys too. I got to thinking about what Jacob said about "they're coming" and would like to make my own theory, no matter how inane it may sound.

A while ago, The Others were one big happy family being strung along in this cosmic game by Jacob and MIB/Esau, I now want to call him Tim. Then there came a split which banished some people from the island, those people are the "good guys" and some of these people have just come back, Bram and Illana and whoever they are running with. Somehow they found a way to get back to the island and that war between good and evil is about to go down.

This may be common knowledge and others may have talked about this before, but for some reason my subconcious doesn't want to let go of Lost for the summer/fall months. And where the hell is Walt? How are his powers going to pop up in all of this?

Anonymous said...

Loved reading this, thanks so much! Just a random thought, and don't take this the wrong way but with all this imagery...

Rose and Bernard are a black and white couple...........

Dave Hanson said...

I've wondered about that too A. It could mean nothing but with all the black/white imagery in the show it's hard to ignore. But while they have two different personalities I don't think you could classify them as opposing forces like the rest of the black & white stuff in the show. So I'm going to assume there is no significance there.

Charlie said...

A & Dave,
Pretty interesting idea about Rose and Bernard.

Maybe they're a metaphor for how light and dark can co-exist, as well as an allusion to the ambiguity of good and evil.

Don't forget, Rose & Bernard were pretty much polar opposites. They were fatefully strewn together in the universe (when Bernie helped Rose get unstuck in the snow). Empirical, scientific Bernard fell for the ever-faithful, "it's in the hands of a higher power" Rose. They butted heads when Bernard tried to fix her in Australia. And again when Rose wanted to stay on the Island that had healed her.

Throughout the show, the two have had to learn to co-exist despite some widely disparate views on how they see the world. And it's not clear who was the one who was right about Rose's cancer. Sure, Rose was correct in staying on the Island. But she never would've gotten there without Bernard's sneak-trip to Isaac of Uluru in Australia to heal her.

So maybe this is a greater metaphor for the show: that opposing forces - cast as wrong vs. right, good vs. evil - are not always so, well, black and white.

Joe Smith said...

I had this weird thought that the guy that Hurley is playing connect four with in the mental institution in season one is an older version of Radsinzky. Upon further research, I found that to be false. Or is it?

Dave Hanson said...

I've Bern rewatching LOST from the beginning and I just saw the part where they first got into the hatch and are checking it out. Sayid is looking at all the concrete and says he hadn't seen it poured so thick since Chernobyl, which was a nuclear disaster.

I am taking this to mean they were sealing in the radioactivity from Jack & Crew dropping the nuclear bomb down the shaft in the 70's. This would mean that Dharma was able to seal it up and proceed even after this "incident".

This would mean that Jack's plan to fix it so their plane never crashed has failed.

Thoughts?

Dave Hanson said...

I've been rewatching LOST from the beginning and I noticed something today. It was the part where they just got in the hatch and Sayid was checking out the thick concrete walls. He said that he hadn't heard of anything like that since Chernobyl.

That got me thinking about Jack dropping the nuke down the shaft. Afterwards Dharma must have poured all that concrete down there to cover up the radiation from the blast; hence "the incident".

Since the thick concrete walls were already there when they first went into the hatch, Jack's plan for the bomb to destroy Dharma's plan - preventing their plane from crashing must have failed.

Thoughts?

Tim said...

I'm getting excited for LOST to start again. yep.